The following Classic Rendezvous
e-mail list rules are
from other web forums and must be followed by all members.
By participating in the list each member agrees to be bound by
rules and those who do not will simply be removed from the
This forum was created for the exchange of information and experiences
relating to classic lightweight bikes and extends invitations to
like-minded enthusiasts. Please note that this list is privately owned;
it is not a "public" entity where democratic rule might apply. This
forum should be viewed as "a group of friends who have been invited into
the list owner's garage to talk about vintage lightweight bikes" and the
invitees should behave as guests.
Revised Sept 29, 2008
1. Sign off all messages with your first and last name, plus your city,
state, and country. No anonymity is permitted. So that people can
readily understand, spell out the required info in a "straight up" way,
using no abbreviations or short cuts. We want our members to know where
we are from: this helps create a community in which we are communicating
"real person to real person." If you cannot agree to identify yourself
in messages, please do not join. Members who do not sign off as required
will be automatically (and without warning) removed from the list.
2. "For Sale" or "Wanted to Buy" postings for items in the CR on-topic
timeline only (prior to 1983) or distinctly "Keeper of the Flame" (KOF,
in a classic style). If unsure, ask the web master BEFORE posting such
items. "For Sale" postings must always include a set price (no "best offer," "highest
bidder" or " I am thinking about selling..." and thereby fishing for an
offer). For Sale ads may be only be posted one time.
3. Those selling items, bikes, etc., should provide detailed and
accurate descriptions and quality digital photographs off-list, via a
Web site or email. (Photos cannot be attached to, or imbedded within, CR
postings. See #6 below). Once a buyer has agreed to your price, the
seller is obligated to follow through. Determine your asking price
carefully as you are bound to it. PayPal is encouraged as a payment tool
to protect both parties.
4. Buyers of goods offered on the CR list are obligated to pay promptly
and not agree to purchase if they do not have the funds immediately
available. PayPal is encouraged as a payment tool to protect both
5. The CR list is for enthusiasts to share and appreciate their hobby.
It is NOT to be used to maximize the selling prices of vintage bikes or
parts, nor as a tool to establish "value. "What is my/your/this X
worth?" is an inappropriate topic. Please search online auctions such as
eBay for that information.
6. The CR list hosting software will not accept e-mails with Attached
Files. Instead, list members should offer the URL to a web site
containing those images or data (Use one of many free photo hosting
services; some are listed on the CR Resources page.)
7. Before sending each message, carefully consider if it is on-topic,
thereby avoiding extraneous mail. Be concise and be sure to use a
subject line that reflects your content accurately. "Digest" users
(those who receive the messages in bundles to cut down on e-mail) need
to be especially careful to delete the parts of the digest that does not
apply to their new message.
8. The CR list is not intended to be a "chat list", but one in which
every message contributes to the communal knowledge base. Please make
every post substantive.
9. Please do not send "Attaboy," "Me too, or jokes. These posts waste
bandwidth, are too often misunderstood, and create strife.
10. Please post no more than three (3) messages per day to keep forum
mail minimized. Make each message "weighty", i.e., having content that
11. Do not "cross post, i.e., send the same message to many lists. If
we take the time to read your message, it should be very on- topic and
unique to our list.
12. Courteous exchanges only. The list is not intended as a debate
forum. Passionate disagreements may not be indulged in on-list. Members
should be able to participate with the expectation that their
contributions will be respected and they will be free from subsequent
on-list or off-list harassment. A CR list member will immediately lose
their membership if they engage in any attack or negative posts to or
about another CR member.
13. Obscene (as the list owner views it), scatological, rude, off-color,
vulgar, ugly, demeaning, or insulting language is prohibited and will
result in the boot!
14. New members are encouraged (but not required) to provide a short
profile of themselves: what bikes they have or wished they had, other
experiences relative to these bikes and a bit about who they are...
Check out the CR archives for info on the rest of us. The archives are
15. While the CR focus is on the beginning of the twentieth century to
1983, a few contemporary, classically made small workshop bikes are
considered on- topic* here These are generally referred to as "KOF" (see
# 2 above). Those welded, injection molded, or glued modern wonders
belong in some other mail list. Ditto for mountain bikes, "middle
weights", BMX, recumbents, and balloon-tired bikes. Those bikes have
merit, but they do not belong on the Classic Rendezvous. Ditto for
components that are post- 1983 or those which are harbingers of a new,
aesthetically "modern" era (like cycle computers, clipless pedals, index
shifting, etc.) If in doubt of the appropriateness of your intended
topic, please ask the web master first.
16. By joining and participating in the CR email list, each applicant
and user hereby affirmatively waives any and all claims, causes of
action, rights of action which may arise at any point or anytime with
respect to any alleged libel, slander, defamation, false light claim or
any other related personal tort claim. This waiver shall inure to the
benefit of all CR List members, the List Master, Dale Brown, Cycles de
ORO, Inc., and any assigns, heirs, or representatives. Each user assumes
his or her own risk by participating in the CR List. Subject to the
discretion of the List Master, members engaging in abusive or
tortuous behavior will be permanently removed.
Any and all claims or suits arising out of use, in any manner, of the
CR list shall be subject to mandatory arbitration pursuant to the rules
of the American Arbitration Association. Such arbitration shall take
place in Greensboro, North Carolina, and be governed by the law of the
State of North Carolina regardless of any conflicting (???)Rules.
Do not hesitate to ask a newbie question. Everyone starts at the
beginning! Please contact me at
if you have any questions.
Have fun and welcome aboard!
Dale Brown, List owner and web master
(Special thanks to Jon Spangler for editing)