The rules governing the
Classic Rendezvous e-mail Google group differ
online forums and must be followed by all members.
By participating in the list each member
agrees to be bound by
rules, and those who do not will be removed from the
Welcome to the Classic Rendezvous community!
This forum was created as an exchange of information
and experiences relating to classic lightweight bikes, and
like-minded enthusiasts are welcome as members. Please note that
this list is privately owned; it is not a "public" entity where
democratic rule might apply. This group should be viewed as
gathering of friends who have been invited into the list owner's
garage to talk about vintage lightweight bikes"
and the invitees
should behave as guests.
1. Sign off all
messages with your first and last name, plus
your city, state, and country. No anonymity
is permitted. So that all members can readily understand, please spell out the
required info in a "straight up" way, using no abbreviations or
short cuts. We want our members to know where we are from, this
helps create a community in which we are communicating "real person
to real person." If you cannot agree to identify yourself in
messages, please do not join our group.
CR Google group members
who do not sign off each of their messages as required will be automatically (and without
warning) removed from the group.
of, and discussions of bikes, components, etc., must be within the CR
on-topic time line only
(up to & including 1983
but not after), or
able to be distinctly categorized as "Keeper of the Flame," which
contemporary, made by tradition methods, small workshop bikes or
ask the web master BEFORE posting such items.
3. "For Sale"
of On Topic items or bikes:
A.) must always include
a set price in the body of that email (no "best offer," "highest
bidder" or " I am thinking about selling..." and thereby fishing for an offer.)
B.) may be only be posted one
time. (a 2nd brief, "didn't sell here so now on eBay" is
must have pictures (.jpegs
preferably) attached to that mail or links provided within that mail
leading to actual images on the web of those items for sale.
"Pictures by request" is not permissible. Pictures of items "similar to this" are not permitted.
Those members who are selling items should provide detailed,
accurate and truthful descriptions. Once a buyer has agreed to your
price, you the seller are obligated to follow through. Decide on
your asking price carefully, as you are bound to it. PayPal is
encouraged as a payment tool to protect both parties.
Buyers of goods offered on the CR Google group are obligated to
pay promptly and not agree to purchase if they do not have the funds
immediately available. Again, PayPal is encouraged as a payment tool to
protect both parties.
6. The CR Google group is NOT to be used to
maximize the selling prices of vintage bikes
or parts, nor
as a tool to establish "value. "What is my/your/this item worth?" is an
inappropriate topic. This forum is for enthusiasts to share and
appreciate their hobby. Please search online auctions such as eBay
for that information.
sending each message,
carefully consider if it is
thereby avoiding extraneous mail. In your emails, be concise and use a
subject line that reflects your content accurately. "Digest" users
(those who receive the messages in bundles to cut down on e-mail)
need to be especially careful to delete the parts of the digest that
does not apply to their new message before sending it.
The CR Google group is not
intended to be
a "chat list",
but one in which every message
contributes to the communal knowledge base. Please make every post
9. Please do not send "Attaboy," "Me too", or jokes. These
posts waste bandwidth, and, especially jokes are too often misunderstood and create
10. Please post no
more than three (3) messages per day per member to keep forum
mail minimized. Make each message "weighty", i.e., having content
that truly contributes.
11. Do not "cross
post", i.e., send the same message to many lists. If
we take the time to read your message, it should be very On Topic
and unique to our list.
The CR Google group is not intended as a debate
forum. Passionate disagreements may not be indulged in on-list.
Members should be able to participate with the expectation that
their contributions will be respected and they will be free from
or off-list harassment. A CR Google group member
will immediately lose their membership if they engage in any attack
or negative posts to or about another CR member, on or off list.
13. Commercial messages are permissible IF they are
specifically On Topic and are not repetitive.
If you have a
vintage bicycle specific business, please obtain permission from the
List owner (Dale) before posting.
14. Absolutely no
obscene (as the list
owner views it), scatological, rude, off-color, vulgar, ugly,
demeaning, or insulting language. Use thereof will result in instant
15. New members are encouraged (but not required) to provide
a short profile of
themselves: what bikes they have or wished they had, other
experiences relative to these bikes and a bit about who they are...
Check out the CR archives for info on the rest of us. The original
archives are here: (www.http://search.bikelist.org/) Google
has archived our group's activities since Feb 2011.
While the CR Google group's focus is on the
beginning of the twentieth century
1983, a few contemporary,
made by tradition methods, small workshop bikes or components are considered
On Topic here. These are
generally referred to as
Specifically excluded are modern welded,
injection molded, or glued bicycles. Ditto for mountain bikes, "middle weights", BMX, recumbents,
and balloon-tired bikes. Those bikes have merit, but they are not
appropriate on the Classic Rendezvous. This also applies to components that are
post 1983 or those that are harbingers of a new, aesthetically
"modern" era (like cycle computers, clipless pedals, index shifting,
etc.) If in doubt of the appropriateness of your intended topic,
please ask the
web master first.
By joining and participating in the CR Google
group, each applicant and user hereby affirmatively waives any and
all claims, causes of action, rights of action which may arise at
any point or anytime with respect to any alleged libel, slander,
defamation, false light claim or any other related personal tort
claim. This waiver shall inure to the benefit of all CR Google group
members, the List Master, Dale Brown, Cycles de ORO, Inc., and any
assigns, heirs, or representatives. Each user assumes his or her own
risk by participating in the CR Google group. Subject to the
discretion of the List Master, members engaging in abusive or
tortuous behavior will be permanently removed.
Each and every participant member of the CR list does hereby
irrevocably assign all rights of copyright and authorship
(as such is defined by 17 USC Section 102) to the list owner
Dale Brown or his designee. This assignment shall extend to
each and every internet posting or other written or graphic
depiction related to the subjects for which the CR list
exists. This assignment shall be deemed a self effectuating
contract to which each member agrees and specifically
consents by way of his or her participation in the CR list.
This assignment shall begin and become effective as of March
6, 2012 at 3:28 PM EST. Upon prior written consent by Dale
Brown or his designee shall this self effectuating
assignment be deemed to not have occurred and the copyright
shall remain with the original author.
Any and all claims or suits arising out of use, in
any manner, of the CR Google group shall be subject to mandatory
arbitration pursuant to the rules of the American Arbitration
Association. Such arbitration shall take place in Greensboro, North
Carolina, and be governed by the law of the State of North Carolina
any conflicting choice of law provision.
Recognizing that actual damages are difficult to ascertain
and yet are certain and devastating to the CR List, any
member, former member or nonmember who violates the
copyright of either the List Master Dale Brown, his designee
or any other List Member shall be subject to injunctive
relief and money damages in a liquidated sum of $1000.00 per
violation. Users, members and others who access the content
of this list hereby expressly consent to the legal and
equitable jurisdiction of the United States Court for the
Eastern District of Virginia, Richmond Division.
This provision shall supersede, but not replace any other
provision of the CR List Rules with respect to arbitration
of conflicts and shall be deemed to apply solely to matters
of alleged copyright infringement.
Do not hesitate to ask a newbie question. Everyone
starts at the beginning! Please contact me if you have
Have fun and welcome aboard!
Special thanks to Jon Spangler & Sadiq Gill.
Revised March 19, 2013